Quote from: Zantetsuken on March 28, 2011, 08:49:45 PMHere's one that arrived today. This is 1 Grivnik from SIBERIA dated 1764. This is a copy of an extremely rare pattern from 1764. Originals only exist in major collections and museums.DetailsSIBERIA (REGIONAL)~1 Grivnik 1764 *COPY*~DanielThat's a super piece Daniel. When you say copy are you referring to a Novadel?
Here's one that arrived today. This is 1 Grivnik from SIBERIA dated 1764. This is a copy of an extremely rare pattern from 1764. Originals only exist in major collections and museums.DetailsSIBERIA (REGIONAL)~1 Grivnik 1764 *COPY*~Daniel
Thanks Daniel,I understand now. You are right, sometime the Novadels cost more than the actual coin I picked these two up last year and the were not cheap!But they are beautiful and already graded. I picked up in the Heritage Auction.
Thanks Stef. It's not a 'Novodel', although these are sometimes sold as such. It might be museum copy or something else. Still, it's an attractive alternative, when the original is not an option. Originals, if encountered, would probably go for at least six or seven figures on an auction block. Even 'Novodels' go for a quite a bit. In fact, they sometimes cost more than the original coins. Be careful though, there are unscrupulous people on Ebay that sell coins such as these as Novodels when then are just regular copies or fakes. From what I understand, 'Novodels' were coins struck in the early 1800's by copying the original die patterns, then striking coins making a virtual image of the original design. Whereas, 'Restrikes' are coins struck with the original dies. This what a friend of mine told me when I was at a coin store.
Quote from: Zantetsuken on March 29, 2011, 02:02:38 AMThanks Stef. It's not a 'Novodel', although these are sometimes sold as such. It might be museum copy or something else. Still, it's an attractive alternative, when the original is not an option. Originals, if encountered, would probably go for at least six or seven figures on an auction block. Even 'Novodels' go for a quite a bit. In fact, they sometimes cost more than the original coins. Be careful though, there are unscrupulous people on Ebay that sell coins such as these as Novodels when then are just regular copies or fakes. From what I understand, 'Novodels' were coins struck in the early 1800's by copying the original die patterns, then striking coins making a virtual image of the original design. Whereas, 'Restrikes' are coins struck with the original dies. This what a friend of mine told me when I was at a coin store.Good info, thanks for posting this. Would this mean that all restrikes are from original dies? That would make sense to me, I wasn't sure if a restrike could be an official re-release of a design, but made with new dies.
Still, it's an interesting filler piece, when the original is not an option.
Keep 'em coming, you must have quite a collection!Not to change the topic, but since you know a lot about Russian coins - What would be a good choice for my WWII set? I know very little about Russian coins, but I'd like to find a nice circulated Russian example that would have been in circulation in Stalingrad maybe during the war, and maybe minted during wartime?